Should We Simplify Our Finance?
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Some how I started to feel that we need to make some overhaul of our finance to make it more efficient and easier to manage, though we haven’t reached the point that things are out of hands yet. Partly because that getting a credit card, opening a bank account, and buying a stock are so easy these days (usually takes only a few clicks and several minutes of time), we have accumulated a significant number of accounts over years and the number is likely to get even bigger if we don’t take steps to reduce it now. Then it will become a headache.
I don’t know if anybody else has the same problem as we do, but I am sure we are not unique. Here’s what we have now under our names (most of them are joint accounts except the credit cards).
Bank accounts
I am not a 100% rate-chaser, but I notice a bank that offers significant higher rate with low minimum, I tend to go for it. After all I want to get the most of my money.
- One checking account:
- Bank of America: Our direct deposit account (used to be Summit Bank, then Fleet Bank, than BoA)
- Five online savings accounts:
- IGoBanking: My latest and primary savings account
- HSBC: Mainly for Treasury Direct purchases
- Emigrant Direct: Almost empty
- ING Direct: My first and, for a while only, online bank account, but now almost empty
Virtual Bank: Almost empty
What I want to get rid of: I am sure I will ever use Virtual Bank again, but for others, I think I will keep them for now in case anyone decides to hike their rates so I can move money around.
Brokerage accounts
I used to have only one brokerage account with Scottrade, but services they offer aren’t that great (no dividend reinvestment for stocks and for once, they don’t even have electronic fund transfer) and their commission isn’t the lowest. Then I opened several accounts with other brokers and each seems to have its own feature.
- Four regular brokerage accounts:
- Scottrade: Primary broker. I could do all my business with them if they offer free dividend reinvestment
- Firstrade: For investing stocks that pay dividend
ShareBuilder: Opened to get their bonus ($155 in total)- QQQDirect: Only for purchasing QQQQ, which charges zero commission
- Two DRIP accounts:
- One with Computershares
- One with P&G
- Four retirement accounts:
- 401(K) account at Fidelity
- Roth IRA accounts at Scottrade and Vanguard
- Traditional IRA accounts at Scottrade and Vanguard
- One Treasury account:
- TreasuryDirect: For investing in I-bonds and T-bills
What I want to get rid of: ShareBuilder can go as I don’t really like the idea of investing on the every Tuesday, plus I don’t trade that much any more. I prefer to trade whenever I feel it’s the right time and with a larger amount instead of $100 or $50 a month with $4 commission.
Mutual fund accounts
All my mutual funds are purchased directly from the fund companies to avoid any unnecessary fees. That means every time I want to invest in a new fund, I have to open an account with the fund company.
- Eight mutual fund accounts: Eleven mutual funds are held at eight mutual fund companies with eight separate accounts.
What I want to get rid of: I have been considering to sell my shares in CGMFX for a while, but didn’t take any action. What I like is its rate of returns (highest YTD return among my mutual funds) and what I hate is its high turover ratio (thus large capital gain distributions).
Credit card accounts
When there’s a new card offer with big incentives ($100+ sign up bonus and 0% APR for balance transfer), I want to have it (two new this year already), even it means I will abandon the card after the initial period if the card doesn’t have any other values. That, however, doesn’t mean I will close the account. In fact, I don’t usual close an account because I have no use of it. On the other hand, the large number of credit cards doesn’t seem to affect my credit score that much.
- One MBNA account: Active
- Two Bank of America accounts: Non-active, one for 0% balance transfer
- Two Discover accounts: Non-active, one for 0% balance transfer
- Three Citi accounts: One active and one for 0% balance transfer
ThreeTwo American Express accounts: One active- Four store accounts: Non-active
- Five Chase accounts: Two active
What I want to get rid of: Among the newest accounts (Chase Freedom, Citi PremierPass, and Discover Miles), I can close the Discover Miles card after the 0% balance transfer promotion ends in June. For the other two, I am using Chase Freedom now for the 3% rebates on groceries and gas and will keep Citi PremierPass as a travel card.
Even with the changes I plan to make, we still own a large number of accounts. When I look at them, I feel my life could be a little easier if I cut the number by half (though I haven’t missed any payment so far). The difficult part is to figure out which one to cut. They all seem to have some use, big or small.
What should I do?
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Unfortunately I do not have any good advice for you. I’m quickly approaching the same situation as you are and cant’ say I’m looking forward to it. Hopefully you will come up with a good system and tell the rest of us!
I do have a question for you, why have you decided to use HSBC to buy Treasury Direct auctions instead of well, going Direct? Is there a Benefit to not working with the Treasury’s provided website?
I would cut at least half of your online savings accounts and half of your credit card accounts…21 credits cards is wayyyyyy to much!
i wouldn’t close down the credit cards. this will negatively impact your credit score, especially for older cards. if you cards that are less than 1-2 yrs old, i would probably close those.
Holy cow!
Consolidate all of your savings accounts into one… maybe two if you have a really good reason. Cut all of your non-active credit accounts as well. You can always get another 0% balance offer. Besides, do you need 0% balance transfer? Definitely cut sharebuilder, I would consider consolidating Firstrade and Scottrade, although you may run into realized gains then.
I’m fairly new to investing and recently came into some money. A friend of mine told me to buy mutual funds through Vanguard and I allocated about a third of my money to several different funds. I chose the Capital Value Fund, Mid Cap Growth Fund, and the Energy Fund investor. I then put another third into a bond fund and am thinking about maybe putting 10% into futures and options and 10% into physical gold. I don’t know if my last two choices are smart and I’m not quite sure where to go for either. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
At present, my family (of 6) has 37 accounts, not including credit cards. I lost track on how many credit cards in my family. However, only 7 to 8 cards are active.
In 2006, we closed 11 accounts, but opened 5 accounts (in ING Direct). Closing brokerage accounts is expensive. Most firms (except Schwab?) would charge $50 to $100 to close an account.
I think the only thing I would be concerned with is the credit cards. As long as you’re not carrying any balances on them, you’re fine. Some people simply can’t resist spending money on them and racking up major debt. This is a net worth killer, IMHO.
As the #3 comment said above, closing them down adversely affects your credit score, which seems counterintuitive - as you’re closing down cards, you’re cleaning up your personal financial life, so your credit score should go up. But alas, it is not the case.
For what it’s worth, I use TDAmeritrade - they offer electronic funds transfer, which I use all the time.
I probably will try to close some newest account rather than the old ones, as you suggested. And that’s why I still keep those old cards though I will never use them again.
Acero: Actually, I am using HSBC to fund the T-bill purchase at Treasury Direct. Every time I make a purchase at Treasury Direct, the money is drawn from my HSBC account and after the maturity, proceeds are sent back to HSBC. The actual investments are made at Treasury website, but funding source is HSBC.
cs: Looks like we are in a similar situation with a large number of accounts. Not just that I may have to pay a fee for closing the brokerage account, but also I will have to pay taxes later if there’s any capitial gains. But having too many accounts is just a little pain to manage.
We went through this several years ago when we were married and consolidated into one bank account, one credit card, and three mutual fund accounts (401k, 403b, and IRA).
Since that time we’ve added an online bank account, a credit card, and a taxable mutual fund account but it’s still much simpler than it had been. I’d say consolidating our finances has made it much easier to manage our money.
Brain: Regarding your investment choices and without knowing anything about age or investment objectives, I have to say you are taking a quite complex approach. Can you tell me why you decide to invest in Capital Value Fund, Mid Cap Growth Fund, and Energy Fund? If I were just to start, I probably will go to an index fund first, then gradually enter other areas. I am not questioning your choices, it just seems to me that if you just start investing, you may want to make it a little simple at the beginning. As for futures and options, I am afraid I don’t know enough to give your any opinion, but for physical gold, if you want to use it as an investment vehicle, then personally I don’t think it’s a good long-term investment. If you want to invest in gold, you can take a look at some gold ETFs such GLD. They can be bought and sold as stocks, and thus are very liquid. If you buy physical gold, there are lots of extra fees involved. Also, right now gold price is close to its peak, so you have to be careful when deciding your entry point.
Electronic fund transfer would be a good idea indeed.
You have too many credit cards! You are going to get into deep debts! If I were you, I would close most of credit card accounts. I think three or four credit cards are quite enough, if they are used wisely!