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		<title>By: IRA Guide: Where To Open An IRA Account And What To Invest</title>
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		<dc:creator>IRA Guide: Where To Open An IRA Account And What To Invest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it&#8217;s a simple and safe strategy .  To make your life easier, those fund companies also offer lifecycle funds, a single fund consisting of both stocks and bonds that is managed by professionals who will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Asset Allocation: What It Is and Why It Is Important</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have an idea on making up your own plan. I have discussed this topic a while ago when I looked at lifecycle funds from Vanguard, Fidelity, and T. Rowe Price. In addition, you can also find other related discussions on asset [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have an idea on making up your own plan. I have discussed this topic a while ago when I looked at lifecycle funds from Vanguard, Fidelity, and T. Rowe Price. In addition, you can also find other related discussions on asset [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Determining the Mix of Stocks and Bonds in Your Portfolio &#124; The Sun&#8217;s Financial Diary &#124; A Personal Finance Blog on Saving and Investing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Determining the Mix of Stocks and Bonds in Your Portfolio &#124; The Sun&#8217;s Financial Diary &#124; A Personal Finance Blog on Saving and Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fund manager&#8217;s view on the balance between risk and reward. In fact, when I looked at some  target date funds from Vanguard, Fidelity, and T. R. Price early this year, I got the conclusion that not every lifecycle fund is created equally, though in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fund manager&#8217;s view on the balance between risk and reward. In fact, when I looked at some  target date funds from Vanguard, Fidelity, and T. R. Price early this year, I got the conclusion that not every lifecycle fund is created equally, though in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that though we can&#039;t rely on past performance to predict what future may look like when it comes to a fund&#039;s return, I feel historical return does play a quite important role in fund evaluation because that&#039;s only what we have. If we totally discard a fund&#039;s history, then all funds will be the same as nobody can predict what the price will be tomorrow. Using it or not or how to use it is each investor&#039;s own decision, however a long, steady past performance isn&#039;t just a thing of the past that we can forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that though we can&#8217;t rely on past performance to predict what future may look like when it comes to a fund&#8217;s return, I feel historical return does play a quite important role in fund evaluation because that&#8217;s only what we have. If we totally discard a fund&#8217;s history, then all funds will be the same as nobody can predict what the price will be tomorrow. Using it or not or how to use it is each investor&#8217;s own decision, however a long, steady past performance isn&#8217;t just a thing of the past that we can forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO Bob Smith in regards to point #1-


First I always hear it and for this arguement I am playing devil&#039;s advocate to a degree.  With that said I understand you can&#039;t simply look at past performances and that it.

In a vacuum and in theory I get that you can&#039;t go on past performance at the end of the day as a main factor for future performance, but then that would be the end of all debate and discussion regarding mutual funds and everything else under the sun for point #1.  Which I don&#039;t think can or should be the case.

EVERYTHING is a variable and I have yet to come across a solid arguement as to why looking at past returns [in a small percentage of the pie] is a bad idea.

Fund A [S&amp;P 500 index] has made 30% a year for 30-years and Fund B [S&amp;P 500 index] had made 1% for 30-years and in that specific case, both are viable options because the performances were &quot;in the past&quot; and we don&#039;t know the future?  

I would love if someone could explain in some detail how the average investor should NOT be concerned with my scenerio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO Bob Smith in regards to point #1-</p>
<p>First I always hear it and for this arguement I am playing devil&#8217;s advocate to a degree.  With that said I understand you can&#8217;t simply look at past performances and that it.</p>
<p>In a vacuum and in theory I get that you can&#8217;t go on past performance at the end of the day as a main factor for future performance, but then that would be the end of all debate and discussion regarding mutual funds and everything else under the sun for point #1.  Which I don&#8217;t think can or should be the case.</p>
<p>EVERYTHING is a variable and I have yet to come across a solid arguement as to why looking at past returns [in a small percentage of the pie] is a bad idea.</p>
<p>Fund A [S&amp;P 500 index] has made 30% a year for 30-years and Fund B [S&amp;P 500 index] had made 1% for 30-years and in that specific case, both are viable options because the performances were &#8220;in the past&#8221; and we don&#8217;t know the future?  </p>
<p>I would love if someone could explain in some detail how the average investor should NOT be concerned with my scenerio.</p>
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		<title>By: Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, this article is really about which fund is good which one is bad. In fact, what I want to say is that with lifecycle fund, there are many factors beyond the cost and performance to consider when deciding which one to invest and one particularly important is the fund&#039;s underlying asset allocation. When investing in a lifecycle fund, as discussed in the article, I believe asset allocation is as important  as, if not more important than, the fund&#039;s fee. And that&#039;s the main point of the article. The quote in your comments is just my opinion that one doesn&#039;t have to always choose Vanguard fund simply because it has the lowest fees. I agree that fund&#039;s expense plays a crucial role in the decision making process, but if one only considers expenses and ignore all other factors when choosing a fund, Vanguard should be the only fund company that survives because nobody will invest in other funds. However, the true is there are many fund companies out there that are equally successful.

As for the data, there are not data of one day, but 3-year average return which happens to be the longest tracking records for all the funds listed in the article. If there are 10-year data available, I will use them to see if I can get the same conclusion. Unfortunately no long-term data is available because of the short history of the funds. While it&#039;s true that past performance doesn&#039;t guarantee future results, we can&#039;t simply discard a fund&#039;s past performance, unless you totally don&#039;t trust any tracking record. Do you look at a fund&#039;s tracking record when evaluating a fund? I am not suggesting that one should only look at the performance. It&#039;s an element of the question, not the element of the equation. And when you pick a mutual fund to invest, do you always choose funds at the bottom of the category as you suggested one should do? If you do, could you please share your holdings with us? I don&#039;t do that and I am not sure how many out there doing that.

I don&#039;t agree with you that &quot;The only thing the investor can control (of the things you mention) is costs.&quot; I don&#039;t think an investor can control the cost. You can choose what expense level is acceptable to you, but you really don&#039;t have any control of the cost once you invest in the fund. The fund&#039;s cost will change whether you like it or not. You can only control which one to invest. Speaking of costs, the reason I think people like Vanguard is that it has a proven record of offering funds with low cost. That&#039;s kind of &quot;past.&quot; Do you trust this &quot;past&quot;? Nobody can guarantee Vanguard will never charge 1+% expense ratios for its funds, though it&#039;s unlikely. The same is true for fund&#039;s performance. Nobody can guarantee Vanguard fund&#039;s performance will continue to lag TRP fund for the next ten years, and nobody can say Vanguard will outperform TRP either.

Since you said the article is &quot;very bad&quot; but all your comments seem to be on the cost/performance. I like to hear from you what else of the article you consider &quot;very bad&quot; so I can correct it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, this article is really about which fund is good which one is bad. In fact, what I want to say is that with lifecycle fund, there are many factors beyond the cost and performance to consider when deciding which one to invest and one particularly important is the fund&#8217;s underlying asset allocation. When investing in a lifecycle fund, as discussed in the article, I believe asset allocation is as important  as, if not more important than, the fund&#8217;s fee. And that&#8217;s the main point of the article. The quote in your comments is just my opinion that one doesn&#8217;t have to always choose Vanguard fund simply because it has the lowest fees. I agree that fund&#8217;s expense plays a crucial role in the decision making process, but if one only considers expenses and ignore all other factors when choosing a fund, Vanguard should be the only fund company that survives because nobody will invest in other funds. However, the true is there are many fund companies out there that are equally successful.</p>
<p>As for the data, there are not data of one day, but 3-year average return which happens to be the longest tracking records for all the funds listed in the article. If there are 10-year data available, I will use them to see if I can get the same conclusion. Unfortunately no long-term data is available because of the short history of the funds. While it&#8217;s true that past performance doesn&#8217;t guarantee future results, we can&#8217;t simply discard a fund&#8217;s past performance, unless you totally don&#8217;t trust any tracking record. Do you look at a fund&#8217;s tracking record when evaluating a fund? I am not suggesting that one should only look at the performance. It&#8217;s an element of the question, not the element of the equation. And when you pick a mutual fund to invest, do you always choose funds at the bottom of the category as you suggested one should do? If you do, could you please share your holdings with us? I don&#8217;t do that and I am not sure how many out there doing that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you that &#8220;The only thing the investor can control (of the things you mention) is costs.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think an investor can control the cost. You can choose what expense level is acceptable to you, but you really don&#8217;t have any control of the cost once you invest in the fund. The fund&#8217;s cost will change whether you like it or not. You can only control which one to invest. Speaking of costs, the reason I think people like Vanguard is that it has a proven record of offering funds with low cost. That&#8217;s kind of &#8220;past.&#8221; Do you trust this &#8220;past&#8221;? Nobody can guarantee Vanguard will never charge 1+% expense ratios for its funds, though it&#8217;s unlikely. The same is true for fund&#8217;s performance. Nobody can guarantee Vanguard fund&#8217;s performance will continue to lag TRP fund for the next ten years, and nobody can say Vanguard will outperform TRP either.</p>
<p>Since you said the article is &#8220;very bad&#8221; but all your comments seem to be on the cost/performance. I like to hear from you what else of the article you consider &#8220;very bad&#8221; so I can correct it.</p>
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		<title>By: Endless Gibberish &#187; Tuesday Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endless Gibberish &#187; Tuesday Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] does a comprehensive look at lifecycle funds funds from Vanguard, Fidelity, and T.R. Price. The Vanguard funds, has 0.5% less in expense ratio, but lagged 2% in performance compared to T.R. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is seriously flawed, and this quote is at the root of the problem:

&quot;There’s no doubt that Vanguard is always the leader in providing low-cost investment options, but does not necessarily mean Vanguard funds automatically become the choice. For the above listed funds, Vanguard funds are about 0.5% less in expense ratio (ER), but they lag about 2% in performance as compared with TRP funds.&quot;

You simply cannot examine one data point (ie: the performance of three funds at the end of business on a particular day) and declare that it means anything. Why?  

1) It occurred in the past - it&#039;s over.
2) The market has somewhat of a cyclical nature. In other words, all other things being equal, you&#039;d probably be wise to pick the worst performing fund going forward - NOT the best.
3) The only thing the investor can control (of the things you mention) is costs. In other words, a low expense ratio should be given a MUCH higher weighting in the decision making process than past performance.
4) One data point is not enough to mean anything - not even close.

I could go on, but all of this is investing 101. There is much misleading information out there, and only by reading extensively will an investor be able to separate the good information from the bad. This article, while appearing to be well-meaning, is in the &quot;bad&quot; category. Very bad, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is seriously flawed, and this quote is at the root of the problem:</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s no doubt that Vanguard is always the leader in providing low-cost investment options, but does not necessarily mean Vanguard funds automatically become the choice. For the above listed funds, Vanguard funds are about 0.5% less in expense ratio (ER), but they lag about 2% in performance as compared with TRP funds.&#8221;</p>
<p>You simply cannot examine one data point (ie: the performance of three funds at the end of business on a particular day) and declare that it means anything. Why?  </p>
<p>1) It occurred in the past &#8211; it&#8217;s over.<br />
2) The market has somewhat of a cyclical nature. In other words, all other things being equal, you&#8217;d probably be wise to pick the worst performing fund going forward &#8211; NOT the best.<br />
3) The only thing the investor can control (of the things you mention) is costs. In other words, a low expense ratio should be given a MUCH higher weighting in the decision making process than past performance.<br />
4) One data point is not enough to mean anything &#8211; not even close.</p>
<p>I could go on, but all of this is investing 101. There is much misleading information out there, and only by reading extensively will an investor be able to separate the good information from the bad. This article, while appearing to be well-meaning, is in the &#8220;bad&#8221; category. Very bad, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Posts I Enjoyed Last Week &#124; The Sun&#8217;s Financial Diary &#124; A Personal Finance Blog on Saving and Investing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts I Enjoyed Last Week &#124; The Sun&#8217;s Financial Diary &#124; A Personal Finance Blog on Saving and Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice coverage on the the life cycle funds.   I think alot of people buy into one without really thinking about it because it seems so easy (pick a year of retirement), but just because a fund calls itself something doesn&#039;t make it that as clearly the fund family have diverging views on asset allocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice coverage on the the life cycle funds.   I think alot of people buy into one without really thinking about it because it seems so easy (pick a year of retirement), but just because a fund calls itself something doesn&#8217;t make it that as clearly the fund family have diverging views on asset allocation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.On a different note I always notice that there are big gaps or blank spaces between paragraphs in your article.I don&#039;t know if you noticed it or not but I wanted to bring it to your attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.On a different note I always notice that there are big gaps or blank spaces between paragraphs in your article.I don&#8217;t know if you noticed it or not but I wanted to bring it to your attention.</p>
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